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Unread 28th of May, 2011, 17:31
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Like -1 swim per 5 lbs dumb.

So, to confirm, I should definitely change up Burn's skills?
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Unread 28th of May, 2011, 21:30
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Yes. Let's call the skill Mugging for the purposes of the game since that's the check we've been using. I'll be using variable DCs, probably secret like Armor Class, for the purposes of the checks as well.
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Unread 31st of May, 2011, 21:08
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Originally Posted by Mercutio # Well, I misspoke earlier. In 3rd Edition, 0 was still disabled, but -1 was death, as Link noted. In the other editions, 0 was death for everyone, so there wasn't a difference between PCs and NPCs, but I could swear I came across something that said monsters died at 0 in 3E. The closest I've come is an old post on the Wizards site written by one of the designers that discussed monsters dying at 0. But I would have sworn it was an actual rule in one of the rule books. I just can't find it.
Yeah, I'm positive that either where those rules are given in the PHB or hidden somewhere in the DMG is a recommendation not to bother unless it serves the plot.

Everything follows the same rules in 3e, so everything dies at -10 rather than 0 or -1, but nobody cares about goblins. This does lead to the odd weird incongruity when the DM will describe some brutal kill for a reduction to -5, and then the players will want a prisoner.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 02:41
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Well then the DM can say he was only mostly dead.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 02:46
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He was sliced in half, but oddly he's not bleeding out!

(I think this may have happened with me being over zealous in the Island game actually)
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 03:10
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Oddly, in all my years of gaming, this is the first time I've been called on it. It's probably just a leftover from 2E in my head.

In any case, I suppose I should keep that in mind going forward.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 03:13
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Argh I'm not calling anyone on anything.
I was just surprised when the gob went down so fast, I was expecting it to have more hit points.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 03:16
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Didn't mean it like that. The monsters in RHoD certainly didn't go to -10 before death. I meant it as a good thing. I've honestly never had anyone question me, including you, about monsters dying when dropping below zero. It forced me to try to find the rule only to realize that there IS no rule.

No, these are straight CR 1/4 goblins, albeit "modernized."
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 03:20
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On the other hand I am slightly weirded out that slaughtering what must be hundreds of sentient rational creatures per dungeon is considered perfectly normal.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 03:28
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Well I mean why surrendering at 1 or 2 hp isn't a normal thing you do, on both sides.
Or is it?
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I suppose it just seems a bit weirder in a modern setting to have televised bloodsports.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:17
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Originally Posted by zachol # Well I mean why surrendering at 1 or 2 hp isn't a normal thing you do, on both sides.
Or is it?
Well, sure. But not if it's your house being raided...

Originally Posted by BigRedRod # I suppose it just seems a bit weirder in a modern setting to have televised bloodsports.
I would have said "true," but the increasing popularity of televised Mixed Martial Arts says to me that society isn't really that much more advanced than ancient Rome. I'm fairly certain that if it were allowed, death matches would get even higher ratings.

But then I'm a cynic who thinks mankind naturally reverts to its baser impulses at nearly every opportunity.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:24
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Also, it's really hard to get to a position where you only have 1 or 2 hit points. Quite frankly, odds are more in favor of a higher number like 5, or a negative number, especially when you start adding in damage bonuses.

A character with 10 hit points against another with a 16 Strength and a short sword (1d6), is more likely to have 4 or 5 hit points after an attack than 1. And if he doesn't surrender at that point, chances are that he'll drop to negative numbers after the next hit.

In some respects, the 1E rules on Morale made some sense to determine exactly how likely monsters were to stick around and fight to the death.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:26
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MMA is great.
Personally I would actually watch something vaguely like XCrawl only with nobody dying.
Like one of those absurd Japanese game shows combined with hitting people with sharp things until they give up. Also instead of foam padding everywhere hard things, and the contestants aren't normal people, and the focus is less on pratfalls and more on the guys actually getting pretty far along the course.

I'm surprised nobody's done something like that, actually.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:46
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Something like XCrawl with no one dying sounds too much like watching my brother's videos from his LARP.

FWIW, I think American Gladiators, MXC, and Wipeout sort of fill(ed) that niche. I think American Gladiators was closer, in some ways, while Wipeout is more like a real-world Super Mario Bros.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:47
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I think Takeshi's Castle (the original, not MXC) is pretty much that show. Oh yes, and American Gladiators. At least the early seasons.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:50
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Originally Posted by LeadPal # I think Takeshi's Castle (the original, not MXC) is pretty much that show. Oh yes, and American Gladiators. At least the early seasons.
I knew MXC was from Takeshi's Castle, but unfortunately(?) my only real experience with it is via MXC.

Funny thing is my wife hates MXC, but if Wipeout is on and there's nothing else to watch, she'll put that on. I tried to tell her it was pretty much the same thing minus the inane commentary. She didn't buy it.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:54
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Why would you prefer Wipeout over MXC?

whyyyyy
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:57
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Viking is another show along the same lines, only even more serious.

Oh, there was also that big robot fighting craze ten years ago. I wonder if any of those shows are still on?
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 04:58
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The commentary seems less stupid? I don't know.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 05:01
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Battlebots! I used to watch that show all the time. In fact, when Grant showed up on Mythbusters, I actually recognized him.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 05:03
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Battlebots yes! So good!
Viking TUOC is great too, yeah.
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Unread 14th of June, 2011, 05:05
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I can't remember which show I watched the most, there were like four. Battlebots, Robot Wars, and a few others with names along those exact lines. I don't remember Grant being on any of them though, that's kind of cool.
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