Returning enchantment

[Boomlaor]

If you drop a throwing weapon enchanted with "returning," will it rise back to your hand at the start of the next round to be caught as a free action?

Edit: Durr, I can't use read the forum rules and use tags like I'm supposed to. Durr.

[akiko]

I would say yes as long as you stay within the distance that returning says you can move. I think 5' or 10'. If you are not there then it just drops to the floor again and doesn't try again.

[nightinverse]

Returning

This special ability can only be placed on a weapon that can be thrown. A returning weapon flies through the air back to the creature that threw it. It returns to the thrower just before the creature’s next turn (and is therefore ready to use again in that turn).
Catching a returning weapon when it comes back is a free action (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#freeActions). If the character can’t catch it, or if the character has moved since throwing it, the weapon drops to the ground in the square from which it was thrown.

As long as you don't move after throwing it, indeed, you may consider a "drop" as a throw.

[generaljimX]

Here's an interesting question, still dealing with Returning. If someone has the feat Throw Anything can they then have anything enchanted with Returning?:worry:

[akiko]

I honsestly think anyone can enchant anything as a weapon. I mean anything can be used impromptu, right? So returning sofas abound. Holy lamp shades and flaming TVs for all.

Seriously I don't see anything keeping it from happening. This is something I have been considering for a Captain America type character with a returning shield and all.

[generaljimX]

That would be fun. I didn't have a character in mind, but the thought popped in my head after reading this, so I posted.

[nightinverse]

I may interject that in the case of dropping an item, you may need to specify that you are "throw-dropping" it - I mean, otherwise any sort of discharge would cause a return. Take the example of the elf dropping his throwing axe as he lies down to sleep.

[Boomlaor]

Which begs the question, can you "throw-drop" something as a free action?

[akiko]

I am starting to think not.

[nightinverse]

Doubtful.

[Mercutio]

Here's an interesting question, still dealing with Returning. If someone has the feat Throw Anything can they then have anything enchanted with Returning?:worry:That's where the Hulking hurler builds come in. I saw one that had a "moon of returning" or something similar...

[Linklegacy77]

+5 sizing returning seeking jagged rock ^^.

[Mercutio]

That's the one. "Hey, let's throw the moon at someone." "Okay."

[Linklegacy77]

I personally like the Elan Sorcerer/Cancer Mage/Hulking Hurler, since he's immortal and all..... Arbitrarily large strength score.

[LeeCHeSSS]

Here's an interesting question, still dealing with Returning. If someone has the feat Throw Anything can they then have anything enchanted with Returning?:worry:
No, because in order to enchant something with the Returning ability it needs to have a +1 Enhancement bonus, which requires the weapon to be masterwork.
And I have yet to see a masterwork (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#masterworkWeapons) sofa.

[Linklegacy77]

Come now, I've seen masterwork sofas, they are wonderfully crafted and one of a kind!

[LeeCHeSSS]

Yes, but "masterwork" is a definition in D&D, which only applies on weapons and armor; specifically designed and created for their purpose in combat.

[Linklegacy77]

I know, I know, just kidding around.

So to answer the question truthfully, no, you cann't. However, if you were to get some gloves that enhanced anything you throw with the returning enhancement...

[akiko]

Good catch LeeCHeSSS, so as Link said you can't enchant a sofa. And my hopes/dreams have just been dashed. Thanks.

[Mercutio]

What says you can only make masterwork weapons or armor? Not the RAW. You have masterwork tools, masterwork manacles, etc. Why can't you have a masterwork chair? I'd argue that only the wealthy have masterwork furniture, but that doesn't mean they can't exist.

[LeeCHeSSS]

Read the rules, masterwork is a term that has a specific meaning in D&D. It is an adjective that describes an item as being exceptionally well made for its purpose (in this case combat). Now, I don't see how you can make a sofa exceptionally well suited for combat... (Except when using it for cover perhaps)

[Mercutio]

You could have a masterwork sofa though. It would be exceptionally well made to sit on.

Masterwork is not only about combat. That's all I'm saying. You can get other items that are masterwork that are not combat related.

EDIT: For example - masterwork manacles, masterwork thieves tool, masterwork artisan tools for crafting, masterwork musical instruments, masterwork tools related to skill checks.

[nightinverse]

That is true, but then it becomes a question of masterwork applying to a roll, specifically a roll of a d20.

[LeeCHeSSS]

Masterwork is not only about combat. That's all I'm saying. You can get other items that are masterwork that are not combat related.Hrmmm, you're right about that. But then again, I would allow a spellcaster/manifester with the appropiate feats to enchant a sofa with the returning enchantment in any of my games...
Rulewise however, I have my doubts.

but then it becomes a question of masterwork applying to a rollThe masterwork property always applies to a roll - sometimes indirectly by increasing a difficulty check.

[Icebird]

So the sofa could be harder to break, it could boost any rolls made to be well rested while sleeping on it.

Player: I roll a natural 20!
DM: Congradulations, that's the best night's sleep you've ever had.

[nightinverse]

LeeCHeSSS, look at what I wrote again. That is exactly what I said, specifically, a d20. Skill checks, ability checks, attack rolls...

[LeeCHeSSS]

Ow, you had me confused with "but then it becomes..."

[Linklegacy77]

A sit check.

Player "I sit on the sofa."
DM "Okay, roll a sit check."
Player "A what? Okay.... I got a 14, what do I add?"
DM "Nothing, but because it is a masterwork sofa you feel really comfortable."

[nightinverse]

I just want to roll a one sitting on my sofa. Just to see what happens.

[Mercutio]

"As you lay there, you hear a faint crack. Suddenly, the whole couch collapses around you, and you have the couch leg impaled in your thigh, severing a major artery. Somehow you broke your femur too. Roll a massive damage save or die."

[Doomsmile]

If you roll a 1, you insult the sofa so badly that it leaves. It then is allowed a diplomacy roll to instigate a major revolution.

[Kahluah]

*laughs* A furniture war. Because nothing says horrific like an animated armchair trying to kill you.

[Mercutio]

Funnily, my DM in a F2F Waterdeep campaign just had us fighting off a bunch of animated objects, including a chaise lounger and a gargantuan floor rug.