OOC Chat

[BigRedRod]

well
we need one of these bad boys
so here it is

remember keep the IC thread free of any just ooc comments or any particualry length ocmments

other than that

feel free to post whatever in here

[BigRedRod]

very tired now

i'll finsih up all this in the morning and maybe get hte prologue posted

don't pay too much attention to anything that seems odd, I copied all the stuff from one of my other gamnes (except the religion thing) so it may contain relics to my other game that just don't apply here

Altohugh I should have pointed out that as per usual, I'll be using my insane familiar rules :)

[tyckspoon]

Good lord character sheets take forever to type out..background coming whenever I gather together the inspiration to type out another four paragraph post.

[Tilus]

By the way, I'm no longer "for sure" to be in this campaign.. like I said elsewhere, my familiarity with 3e D&D is next to none. So far for another campaign (Daggers in the Night) I've already burned 2 days searching for info, 2/3 of a day typing up a character sheet, and another half a day correcting errors on said sheet.. and since it hasn't started yet I don't even know if it's anywhere near the character image I had in mind, or if my character will be effective at all. Because of this I've remembered why I despised D&D's character creation system with a passion.. My confidence is very low right now. XD

That doesn't mean I'm absolutely not going to be in this campaign, it's simply I'm not sure when or if I'll gather up the time and the motivation to spend another full day or so on yet another character sheet when I don't even know how well the first works.

[tyckspoon]

ey. We'll help ya through it as best we can, ya know. Anything in particular you're tripping over, or are you just unsure how to create an effective D&D character?

[Tilus]

Well, besides 7th level starting gold (might as well tell me the formula for Xth level gold while you're at it), I think I've made enough mistakes the last go around to get a pretty firm grip on the basic rules and concepts. And it's not like I'm a total newbie at roleplaying - I've been doing it for almost 8 years now - and I have familiarity over the races, classes, and the concepts behind them..

I guess that yeah, my biggest problem is meshing them all together into a solid and effective concept under the 3e rules. Maybe I've been watered down too much by BESM.. XD

[tyckspoon]

7th level gold is 19,000. I don't know the formula, if there is one. Haven't tried to spot it.

[SponkleofInfini]

Stick with it, the more you make character the more proficient you will get. In short, persevre :)

[SponkleofInfini]

Also BRR, do you have any info on the geography of your world. Just need to know some stuff for my characters background. Perhaps some historical facts aswell :)

[BigRedRod]

geography is coming soon, i.e. hopefully today
I may make a seperate history thread too, or it may just work itself in with geography as some things will be better explained on hte spot


Tilus, feel free to bug me for help with your character, 3e can be pretty damn confusing the first few attempts at characters you make, you just need practice with the system


oh and Tyckspoon, could you re-jig your sheet so it looks nicer please?
Sponkle knows how I like so copy his format if you want, or just break it up with bold and colours or whatever

[TheDruid20]

Ok I will be thinking about my character at work... But currently shooting for human female, prob wizard doing both loremaster and summoner is BRR don't have a problem with that...

BTW yoru famalair rules are about as complex as my psionic crystal rules...

[BigRedRod]

sounds fine Billy

hehe
Yeah, my reasoning was as you won't need to actually summon a familiar often sod simplicity :)

I'll have to go to your games and take a gander at psi crystals then :)

[TheDruid20]

Its not posted anymore, but essentially you can choose to perm spend PP to make it better...

[BigRedRod]

Well I got nothing like the amount I tohught I would today

I have one of the maps done
The second should arrive tomorrow, and hopefully all the details, but as I know I'm gonna be busy for at least hal;f of tomorrow I don't know how much will happen

bear with me kids

[tyckspoon]

Sure thing, BRR. I'll go fiddle with it. Sorry bout that, I'm pretty disorganized when I'm not using a real character sheet.

[tyckspoon]

Your familiar rules really aren't all that far out, Rod. There's something similar in one of the supplements, I think..the f2f game I'm currently playing has two improved familiars. One of them can breathe lightning three times a day and isn't a standard type, the others a rat who can go ethereal. Both of them permanently see invisible.

[BigRedRod]

thank you, that's super!

I hadn't heard anything aobut a published set of strange familiar rules
any idea which supplament?

[tyckspoon]

Don't know, but I'd bet on the sorcerer/wizard class book.

[BigRedRod]

oh
are we just talking about the improved familiar feat here?
I thought there was a big crazy system somewhere else too :)

[BigRedRod]

Well the summoner PrC is up
I'm tempted to bang up the CRs a little
not in total
but just squeeze it up
so it starts with CR 1 rather than CR 1/2
mainly as it seem a bit dissapointing to start with a celestial badger, granted it gets +2 HD and all the benefits that may go with those HD increases, but I think 1 would give a little more scope :)

...work on the geography section continues...

[tyckspoon]

Probably, but what the heck. The things my group have done seem pretty similar to the stuff in your system, in parts. Yours randomizes it..I think Improved Familiar lets you choose what you want to stick on.

hmm. About the CR's of the summons: Perhaps instead of advancing one of the normal summon options, a High Summon could summon a creature of CR up to the casters level at the time of the binding? Or you could combine the two approaches. That would generally be about one and a half times stronger than the standard list, I think. Of course, there'd have to be a limit on what CR a High Summon of a particular level could obtain..maybe something like
High Summon 1: Up to CR 1, may be advanced by 1 HD
High Summon 2: Up to CR 3, may be advanced by 4 HD
High Summon 3: Up to CR 6, may be advanced by 9 HD
High Summon 4: Up to CR 8, may be advanced by 12 HD
5: CR 12, advanced 15
6: CR 15, advanced ..
well, the progression I was trying for gets a little insane at the higher levels.

[tyckspoon]

Shouldn't there be a couple more character sheets here? Tilus, Druid, I'm looking at you..:angry:

[Tilus]

I've been a little busy with other stuff, and my motivation's been lacking, but I'll have mine done tomorrow. I promise. XD

[BigRedRod]

hmmm
I quite liked the current idea with it's dual progression

you have another creature of higher CR at each (but the first) level and an opportunity to advance each existing creature

The only reason that HD advcanement is there rather than just beefing up CRs was to try and give the summoner control over the growth of his monsters, so that they were more a reflection of him and what he wanted

The current idea also linked the high-summons with the original summon monster spells, altohugh I supposeif I'm tweaking the potential list to include anything (rather than just natural outsiders) I shouldn't be afraid of working with CRs

[BigRedRod]

as for character sheets
usually I'd be poking you players for them by now

but as it stands I haven't finsihed geography, so any sheets will most likely be missing the background, so I'm not gonna hassl e anyone until I'm done . I can't be that hypocritical :)

[SponkleofInfini]

Of course you can, you're just not trying hard enough :)

[BigRedRod]

ok
filled in the geography section
although it was mostly off the top of my head, so I may extend some entries and change them from the current stream of thought style

but it's done

ask questiojns

finish off sheets

etc

etc

:)

[Tilus]

Character sheet is about half done.. the simple half, that is. I just realized how much my stats suck compared to TheDruid's character's stats.. though I'm not giving up on the summoner idea! I've even got a good character concept going which will fit into the predicament she's in rather well..

[BigRedRod]

hmmm
two summoners
not something I expected

still,
it's a nice take on things
just make sure that your characters are sufficently different, I wouldn't want you treading on one anothers toes

I'll go take a look at your sheet, see what I can help with, but I'll make sure Sponkle takes a look at it, being a munchkin he has a better rules grasp

[BigRedRod]

ok
to me your sheet looks ok so far Tilus
of course I could be missing things

also if you and Billy manage to decphier my familiar rules than kudos,
essentially I need to know:
do you want a familiar
do you want a specific type?
is there a single specific power your familiar could not do without?
do you want to try and give it an extra power?

answer these for me, and I'll post how much it'll cost along with what you get

[TheDruid20]

OK I want an earth infused hedgehog, maybe celestial or with acid or one of the nice other abilities that don't turn it into a weird monster with extra body parts.

[SponkleofInfini]

Like Algerdar's Toad, Alphonze? who is an odd tentacled toad :)

[Tilus]

Okay, I think I've got your familiar rules pretty well down.

Yes, I want a familiar.
Yes, I'd like a specific type, a blob (if my lack of ablity to scry won't make selecting an initial familiar near impossible for me =p If it will, make the beast random).
No, there's no specific power that I absolutely need
No, I'm not going to try to give it extra powers.

[tyckspoon]

Rod- eh. Do what you like with the PrC. A lot of the modifications I first think of tend to make things incredibly deadly. Although advancing HD does in fact raise CR-just not as quickly as class levels do. By the way, is there a decently large population center in the world? I can't find mention of any big cities or even towns defined as largish. On the coasts or the shores of Lake Belbe would be a logical location. I need a nice big place for my character background.

Tilus-your sheet looks pretty good, but I think you forgot some racial stuff. Half elves get, IIRC, low-light vision and +1 to Listen and either Search or Spot. Or all three. Need advice on magic items to pick up, or are you just taking your time to mull through the list?

[Tilus]

Yeah, any advice concerning items is always helpful. =P

[tyckspoon]

well, you can spend up to 6,333.33333...gold on any single item. I stuck with the 2000-4000 range. A Bag of Holding or Heward's Haversack is always useful-possibly more so for me than you, because I like having stuff to be prepared for every situation. A horse is generally nice to have. Stat and AC boosters would be useful; most of the first level of them (+2 stat or +1 AC) are within the range I used, and the next level generally exceeds the spending limit. Sorcerer can't (er-probably won't) wear magic armor, so Bracers of Armor would be good-I skipped 'em because I could wear armor. It gets kinda fiddly to calculate, but you could always just take lots of potions, scrolls, and wands. All the potions in the DMG's list come in under 900 gold. Lower-level scrolls are also relatively cheap. I think the most expensive wand that fits under the spending limit is magic missile at caster level 7. You're going to want a spare weapon for when you run out of spells, of course..if you don't want to spring for magic, a masterwork crossbow is probably the best bet.

[TheDruid20]

I don't plan on having any weapons, that what my summoned creatures are for@!!! Ok a staff... plan on making it magic over time.

[tyckspoon]

heh. Don't forget to masterwork it, then. Druid just reminded me of something, Tilus-a wand/some scrolls/both of assorted Summon Monster spells would be nicely in character to have.

[TheDruid20]

Yeah I think I might be making me a wand real soon, or wands/universal items that can buff up/heal my monsters...

[tyckspoon]

Cat's Grace, Bull's Strength, both, or do you have more unorthodox means in mind?

Here's something I've been trying to work out recently regarding shuriken. The entry says up to three may be thrown in a single attack. Should that be treated as a single attack that will deal three damage if it hits (shuriken dealing only 1 damage), or should it be treated as three separate attacks that just happen to take place at the same instant? If it's three separate attacks, could a rogue use them to make three sneak attacks? It seems reasonable to me, considering the range increment is only ten feet and a sneak attack can be performed from at most 30 ft as a ranged attack, so a rogue throwing shuriken as a sneak attack from max range is already taking a -6 to hit..nasty if it does hit, though.

[TheDruid20]

No it states that only one, the first, has enough accuracy to actually be a sneak attack... silly i know.

[BigRedRod]

wow
I lost my internet conenction for almost a full day!

Andrion is the only settlement which could be classed as a city, Belebe is a large town but it's no city, and I would say those two were the largest around

I'll sort out your familiars in a minute

[BigRedRod]

ok

Billy
yours is gonna cost you 450 (I think we can assume you just found a hedgehog, to make your familiar)
it's a hedgehog
with the earth element template
and the improved SR trait (giving it +10SR)

Tilus
yours is 250
got yourself the blob
and he has the shadow template applied (it's in MoP, I'll post it if you don't own the book)

[SponkleofInfini]

Okay my character background is complete.

[BigRedRod]

just need the others to finsih the last few bits of their sheets

I'll get a scale banged on my maps and then I'll starting bugging you all about it :)

[Tilus]

Okay, after some time of searching, I can't find a table listing the price of scrolls/wands, and I don't have the shadow template on me (as I said before, I have next to no experience in 3e D&D, and only have the very basic of basics on me, as well as a bunch of Forgotten Realms stuff that doesn't apply here.)

Yeah, jumping into 2 3e D&D campaigns as a first board experience was probably a huge mistake on my part, but oh well.. =P

[SponkleofInfini]

Scroll and Wand lists are listed in the DMG (Dungeons Masters Guide).

The equation for Scribe Scroll if you can't gte a copy of the DMG is;

Spell Level x Caster Level x 25.

Eg. If ou were to buy a scroll of Burning Hands made by a 1st lv wizard. It would cost you 25 GP (1st lv Spell x 1st lv caster x 25 = 25)

The wand is a similar equation;

Caster Level x Spell Level x 750 GP

*Note: you can only create wands with 4th lv or lower spells*

Eg. A wand of Magic Missile (1st lv caster) would cost 750 GP (1 x 1 x 750GP)

These equations can be found in the feats section of the PHB (Players Handbook) p81. Craft Wand and p84. Scribe Scroll. As mentioned earlier the table containing most scroll and wand prices is in the DMG.

[BigRedRod]

Tyck,
few thing s about your background

1) it's Andrion
2) you left just before the raid, I asked that all players were there for the raid. But I'll let this slide, you lived in Lunos for a long period, and it's good to have an occasional difference

Tilus,
I'll post the shadow template for you so that you can apply it to your blob

[BigRedRod]

Shadow Template

Type : Change to magical Beast
Speed : As base x 1.5

SQ
Cold resistance 5 + 1 per HD (max 20)
Darkvision 60ft
Low-light vision
Shadow Blend (Su) : In conditions other than fuyll daylight or a daylight spell, the creature can blend into the shadows giving 9/10 concealment

+6 bonus to move silently

One additional supernatural power from the list for every 4HD (min of 1)
+2 luck bonus on saving throws
Cause fear once per day
DR 5/+1
Evasion
Mirror Image once per day
Plane shift to or from the plane of shadow once per day
Regenerate 2 hit points per round (slain if brought to 0 hp)

[tyckspoon]

Ah? Whoop, didn't notice that clause when I was reading it. I'll fix the spellings..Shadow template's pretty nice..doesn't even come with a light vulnerability.

[BigRedRod]

ok
scale added
time for you to finish up

Billy
-Spend Money
-Add familiar to sheet
-Make spell List

Tyck
-I think you're done

Lune
-Seems to all be there

Tilus
-Spend Money
-Do AC
-Add familiar
-If you're unsure on how to do these, lemme know

Sponkle
-You seem sorted


I only skimmed your sheets
so if there is more to do
get it done, sharpish
then we can get this party started

oh
one thing I forgott to check on your sheets
physical descriptions
age is normally at the top, but I'd like a little paragraph (or a few bullets) about what you look like , including common dress and suchlike

[SponkleofInfini]

Damn I knew I forgot something...will do promptly, capt'n

[BigRedRod]

no need to add a seperate note for it there sponkle :)
not that I'm calling you a post-whore

[SponkleofInfini]

Oh who are you kidding :)

[Tilus]

Oi. I have a huge RP backlog spanning three boards, but since this one's been waiting the longest I'll take care of it first =P

Okay, before I can finally spend all my money I need to know the price of the following items:

- Temple robe, for the summoner temple
- Iron crafting tools, masterwork (if such a thing exists)

Also, I'm not sure how to add a familiar, so you might as well explain that too..

[BigRedRod]

what do you want the robe to do?

and 55gp for masterwork tools

http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html
that might help you
it's the PHB, DMG and MM all banged online minus character generation

if you scroll down you can see all the magic items, those should help you spend your cash :)

as for your familiar, just give it a mini stat block on your sheet
get the blob stats from my familiar rules, add the shadow template (which I posted), I can't remember if yours had another power or not (check back and add that too), then you should be just about done with the blob

[Tilus]

That's a surprisingly good site, I should bookmark it =P

Okay, I'm going to assume a robe is a form of magic armor (correct me if I'm wrong), and give it Spell Resistance (SR 13).

I'm getting to work adding in the rest now.

[BigRedRod]

you're wrong :)

armour provides an armour bonus
a robe isn't actually armour

I think it's under wonderous items
yup
just checked

give the robe whatever you want, as long as you can afford it with no more than a 1/3 of your money on a single item

[tyckspoon]

Well, you could treat it as armor with a base armor bonus of 0 and build from there, but it'd probably turn out cheaper as a wondrous item.

[BigRedRod]

a robe is a wonderous item
that's the way it works
no dancing aorund the rules allowed :)

[BigRedRod]

Tilus,
you need to name your familiar
and writing the template after the familiar stat-block isn't the same as applying it :)
follow the instructions on the template while looking at the stat block of the blob
there's examples and whatnot if you look at the template section (should be right at the end) of the srd, they could be quite helpful for you

[Tilus]

*spins around and collapses*

Give me a couple hours to recover.. I'll do it then. =P

[BigRedRod]

Tilus
another two quick points

the wands of cure light wounds
for one, if you have wands, can you list the charge number
for another, you can't use them yourself
they are spell trigger (I think) which means you need the spell on your spell list to be able to use it
so anything arcane is good, but anything just divine is useless

unless you take rogue levels to get the use magic device skill, which may be counter productive to actually gaining magical power itself :)

Also, although you may be leaving your equipment in it's current form while you sort
could you stick it in more general categories once your done, possibly with a seperate section for what you are leaving in your house (if anything)
I'll point to Sponkle's sheet again for how I like stuff arranaged :)

[Tilus]

Okay, excuse me while I rip my own hair out..

@#$#$@#$@$$#$@#$

I don't think that helped, but oh well..

I may not be ready for this game emotionally when/if I ever get this bloody sheet done.. I think I'll move on to something else while I try futilely to regain my senses..

Also, this may be my last D&D game I join on these boards for at least a good long while..

[BigRedRod]

hehe
higher levels are always a bit more of a headache to build a character for

but once you've done a few you can whip one up very quickly

[BigRedRod]

noticed your sheet had a note about not getting AC, well still not getting it. Sorry, I didn't realise you posted about that before

AC = 10 + X (Armour) + X (Dex) +X (Shield) +X (Misc) +X (Luck)

ripped from sponkles sheet (although there may be other types, I know insight has been missed off, but that's a rare one until epic really :) )

sidenote : Sponkle edit your AC line to actually make sense :)
your AC isn't 20 + all those bonuses,

anyhow

so your bracers of armour give you an armour bonus (it tells you the bonus type i nthe description of the item)
you have your dex mod

I doubt you are gonna have a shield

so just look at any other items you buy
if they grant you a +1 luck bonus to AC
then add it on
but remember that bonuses of the same time don't stack

you seem to pretty much have it on your sheet, and the PHB does a good job of explaining it
I think you may be looking for some added complexity to the system that doesn't exist

[tyckspoon]

Huh. I didn't realize how much of a headache doing this could be.
Ok..Tilus- your AC should be..
10 +1 Dex + 2 armor (bracers)=13
Touch 11 (no armor)
Flatfooted 12 (no Dex)
The Misc entry would include natural armor, deflection, competence, sacred, profane, and luck, I think. Natural and deflection are the ones you're most likely to acquire, because they can be gotten from relatively cheap items. Luck items are expensive, and the other types just don't show up much as AC mods.
Does that Dex stat include the bonus from the gloves?

An SR 13 robe should cost 4,000+whatever the cost of masterwork clothing is (..is there even a cost for that?)

Blob, with template fully applied:
Familiar:
"Blob"
Type: Magical Beast
Size: Diminutive
HD: d8+1
init: -1
Speed: 15 ft
AC: 15 (+4 size, +1 natural)
Attacks: +4 slam
Damage: 1d4 slam
Face/Reach : 1ft by 1ft / 0ft
Special Attacks :
Special Qualities : Cold Resistance 6, Darkvision 60ft, Low-light vision, Shadow Blend
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +0, Will +1
Abilities: Str 10, Dex 8, Con 12, Int 11, Wis 8, Cha 7
Skills: +12 concentration, +12 spellcraft, +4 hide, + 6 Move Silently
CR: 1/2

Shadow Blend (Su) : In conditions other than fuyll daylight or a daylight spell, the creature can blend into the shadows giving 9/10 concealment

And then add whatever power from this list you chose. Blob'll get one by the minimum of one clause.
One additional supernatural power from the list for every 4HD (min of 1)
+2 luck bonus on saving throws
Cause fear once per day
DR 5/+1
Evasion
Mirror Image once per day
Plane shift to or from the plane of shadow once per day
Regenerate 2 hit points per round (slain if brought to 0 hp)

[SponkleofInfini]

I know it isn't 20 + all the other bonuses, infact until now you haven't brought it up :) Should I put a colon there or something :) Anyway, I think you know what I mean, so I won't edit right now until I have something else to edit.

It is just to minor a thing for now.

[BigRedRod]

just put
20 and then the rest in brackets

so it's

AC 20 (10+ lalalalalalalala)

[BigRedRod]

Tilus
-I was talking about your familiars stat block
it still just has the blob stats and then the template states written after one another
you need to go through the shadow template, read it, and change the blob stat block accordingly
I would just edit and do it for you, but you need to choose a number of powers from a list

[SponkleofInfini]

Perhaps latter...to little to edit.

[tyckspoon]

Whee. This is interesting..stuff to still do to that familiar:
Add bonuses from master's level- HP (1/2 of master), +4 Int, all the special abilities
Roll up or choose, possibly, d3 special abilities from Rod's familiar powers list and put those in as well, modified for master's level.
I think that'd finish it out..Rod, that system is almost as annoying as creating a character outright..

[BigRedRod]

he already has his powers

it's just the shadow template
but you're bang on the rest :)

I've tried to be help[ful, but I get the feeling that my people skills and horrific typing don't make this very easy on the people :)

[TheDruid20]

ok before I can spend my money I need to know are we are the flat exp for 7th level or slightly above? Cause I have creation feats but dont' want to sacrifce my level. And I need to figure out how much my staff will cost... its not a simple one.

[BigRedRod]

hmmm
good point

rather than the flat 21k
I'll bang it up to 22
that gives room for anyone with the feats to have actually used them without gipping themsevles a level at the beginning


edit:
no one needs to worry, except Billy, about the new XP, I updated your sheets for you as this was my fault. Well not Billy's he can sort his own out if he's gonna be spending it :)

[tyckspoon]

What are you doing to the staff? Should be relatively easy to figure the cost, especially because the spending limit will likely prevent anything overly complex.

[BigRedRod]

ok
we're on page four of the OOC now
it's a little Silly

I'd like to get the game started :)

[tyckspoon]

Then do it. We're not likely to hit a situation where we need to know exactly what stats the familiars have right at the start, are we? By the time we start running through a situation where it's needed, we should have all this stuff worked out.

[BigRedRod]

psssh

I'm not starting with two half-finished characters :)

that'd be both bad form and just give a certain couple of players an unfair advantage :)

(not that I'd assume that of you two ;) I just like to have everything sorted before I start these things going)

[tyckspoon]

Not really. Assuming the first 40 posts or so are introductory roleplay, they'll be done by the time we get to a point where stats are important.

[TheDruid20]

Well a wand can be in the form of a staff, wand is simply a definition of what it does, I plan on combineing several wands and wonderous items into one item my wand...

[TheDruid20]

O BTW I gots me no clue how to do the stats for the hedgehog.. as I don't have the book with it or the template in it easily at hand...

[BigRedRod]

celestial hedgehog right?
with +10SR
I'll bang it together for you

[tyckspoon]

mm..that's going to be an expensive wand. Cheapest Wondrous Item I can think of that isn't single use is 2,000 gold. What items did you have in mind to combine? I think for multiple abilities on a non-limited slot item you just add all the prices together.

[BigRedRod]

Diminutive elemental(earth)
HD 1
hp 1/2 yours
Init +0
Spd 15ft, burrow 15ft
AC 23(touch 14, flatfooted 23)
Atk +4 melee(1d3-3 bite)
Face/Reach 1ft by 1ft / 0ft
SA Poison, Earth mastery
SQ 10 SR, defensive ball, Burrow, Elemental, Darkvision 60ft, tremorsense
AL any
SV Fort +2, Ref +3, Will +3
Str 4, Dex 10, Con 10, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 5
Skills and feats: Hide+17, Listen +5, Spot +5 (or master's if better); Weapon Finesse(bite)
Poison(Ex) : When in defesnive ball, spines poison foes touching hedgehog;Fort Save(DC10);intial and secondary damage 1d2 temp dex
Defensive Ball (Ex): Roll up as a standard action granting +2 circumstance mod on saves and AC. Unrolling is a free action

Speaks terran :)
Alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link,Touch,Speak with Master,Speak with animals of same type


grants you a +2 natural armour bonus


and that's it
in a very messy little form
hopefully everything is right
I was doing it rather quickly :)

[Tilus]

I agree.. I want to get the flippin' game started already =P

Alright, I hope applying the shadow template and a fix for my AC is all I need to get going.. I'm not going to bother finishing up spending my cash until I know just what I'm doing. I hope this doesn't screw me over when gameplay starts, though.. the last thing I want to hear is that I'm at a disadvantage, or my character is doomed to failure, because I'm completely unfamiliar with the system.. -_-

(Edit: I need a d8 for my familiar! You left me hanging here!!)

[tyckspoon]

Actually, you don't..familiars have hp equal to one half the master's hp. For you that would be 4+6d4+7xCON.

[Tilus]

Well, that still leaves me without a 6d4..

[BigRedRod]

hope you don't mind
but I'll roll your hp then :)

4(first level max) + 6d4 (six evels) but 7(your con mod times 7)

and I get 30
so you have 30hp
and your blob has 15

aside from that
you need to sort out your familiar
apply the template to him, at the moment you have his stat block and his template
but you havent combine them

or just pick which ability you want from the list on the shadow template(your familiar has a single HD, so it gets the minimum) and I'll do it for you

[SponkleofInfini]

You could of course do prologues for those who were punctual with their sheets :)

[BigRedRod]

I'm not into this new fashionable prologue nonense :)

your back stories all have you in the village

it's only a few lines to bring you together and I may as well leave it in the main post :)

[SponkleofInfini]

I tell you what we need....whips, *Whip Crack* get a move on slowpokes!!

[TheDruid20]

Actually it was not celestial but an elemental...

[Tilus]

Slowpoke? ME!?! *thwaps SponkleofInfini with his diamond staff*

Anyways, give me "Regenerate 2 HP per round" as my bonus supernatural power.

I hope, for the love of all things sacred, that this is all I need to get started..

[SponkleofInfini]

As the first to get his sheet posted you're all slowpokes compared to me...*Insert Evil Maniacal Laughter*

[BigRedRod]

yeah I saw that Billy :)
As I wrote the hedgehod stats down I noticed it wasn't meant to be celestial so I looked back
that jazz I posted should be right

and I'll sort yours now now then Tilus

[BigRedRod]

k
Tilus, you're done, sorted your familiar and added a few other missing bits
I rejigged your sheet a little so I could see if everything was there and I wanted to make it a little more readable

Billy, we're waiting on you now
tut tut :)

[TheDruid20]

Asking permission to go over the limit on the gold, the intent is to reflect what one our level might find and nto make an uber weapon or the like. In my case i am making something, and nothing in it is something I couldn't afford in the rules anyway, effectivly wands, maybe some skill bonuses to knowledge, stuff like that.

[BigRedRod]

yeah
I stick that kind of limit in just to aovid people picking up single items that are way out of the power range

as you are making an item that is more a fusion, I think it's a special case and it's not you trying to screw your way out of the rules, so I'll allow it

[TheDruid20]

Wait I am scared this is how beidamonk started.... Little innocuous things, that seamed ok and not over-powerd, then BAM....

[BigRedRod]

hehe
I'll just victimise you if it all starts to build up :)

[BigRedRod]

Billy are you done?
You have the staff and the headband (and the scrolls, which you used to expand your spell collection)
but you said Before I add my staff., which implies that you are just taking half a step with the stuff
and yet you have spent most of your cash

so that threw me a little :)

Anyhow, let me know if you're done and we'll get started

[TheDruid20]

Well before I added it fully to my sheet.... It was originally "better" but I didn't want to loose a level...

[BigRedRod]

ok
Billy is just finishing off

looks like I'll get started

and today I leanry my lesson of writing things down and not just trying to remember stuff

[SponkleofInfini]

Bout blooming time there BRR!!!

[BigRedRod]

ok
sorry it's such a big intro , with shit load happening
but I like to start games with an actual event rather than mundane stuff, so I brushed over your travelling :P

[BigRedRod]

in case it wasn't clear
appearance of IC thread = start posting in it :)

I'll lock it if I don't want you there :)

[BigRedRod]

Ielenia doesn't rea;;y need to be feeling guilty as such

you may not have mastered any of the powers of the High Summoners yet, but you a member of the order, no matter how inexperienced

The people may of course expect quite a lot from you though :)

[Tilus]

She's not really feeling that guilty.. right now I'm just settling into my character, and occasionally my RP might be a little off. It can take me a few posts to get used to playing with her, though.. =P

[BigRedRod]

as long as we are clear that you are a summoner despite a lack of the PrC :)

[BigRedRod]

"Would you happen the know the most direct route tot eh Temple? Try to avoid as many of the afflicted as possible, hopefully they will have some idea what has happend when we get there."

yeah,m this is something you know and the guard doesn't or would most likely pretend not to know
it's like a secret that everyone knows but won't talk aobut becuase it's meant to be a secret :)

but you roughly know the way to the sewer enternace, and then you follow the tunnels north

[BigRedRod]

Billy, Lune
read your PMs before you post

[BigRedRod]

sorry about making a huge push there, there was'nt anywhere really to stop where you could post much thta was meaningful
I'll leave you just outside so you can say anything that needs to be said before going in

[BigRedRod]

doors tend to have locks
anything important will be behind more than lock and key though

but then again
it's a summoner temple
the presence of the all-powerful summoners should be enough to stop any thieving little bastards walking in and looting :)

The sciptures of a temple of course will be carefully locked away
but that's only to be expected :)

edit : Noticed that it was full of typos and suchlike, so I've edited, it makes more sense now that I'm less tired

[tyckspoon]

Hmm. Can we assume the rest of us followed Luian in and heard this conversation, or do we have to wait for her to come back to us and relay the news?

[BigRedRod]

sorry aobut the quick posting
but it's nice to make progress

feel free to walk in after you hear talking
but you'll enter as the high-summoner said his last piece, it makes it easier than trying to edit backwards

or you can wait, I'm not sure what your characters are thinking though :)

[BigRedRod]

I'm holding off posting for the moment as Tilus has been very quiet, I'm happy to assume that Ielenia has joined the group after Luian had a word with the summoner
Just letting you know that it isn't me being too dense to realise that you all seem happy to be moved along a few steps

[Tilus]

Sorry, haven't been able to post much, I'll post tonight. =P

[Tilus]

..Or rather, I'd post if there was much of anything for me to post, without it being a ridiculously lame "Hi, I'm still here" post.

Only 2 days have passed and the topic's length gained a whole page.. I don't like the looks of that. I don't know if I have the time to keep up with a topic where I'll have to post multiple times a day simply to keep up with the rest of the group, but I'll post when I get my next opportunity..

[BigRedRod]

I'm not saying you need to post multiple times a day
I'm just saying it's best that you frequently post
even if you aren't doing all that much in the posts

it bonds the characters and lets me know that none of my players have fallen overboard

[SponkleofInfini]

Wasn't Luian talking to Garland?

[BigRedRod]

I think it was a cunningly disguised let's all let the DM know we're ready to move comment
and the general answer was "yes we are"
so I rolled it along to the library

[SponkleofInfini]

Fair enough :)

I wonder if the people will remember what they have done, if this ever ends? "I have this odd taste in my mouth...hmmm....a piece of sinew in my teeth...a half eaten arm on my leg...AHHHHHHHHH???"

[SponkleofInfini]

So would have anyone of us see where Tririen went BRR?

[tyckspoon]

Well, if you looked away from bickering about the proper approach for the group to take, you probably would have seen me go off to the upper-level door. Aside from that, I don't know. I got the idea the corridor was straight, but not particularly well lit.

[SponkleofInfini]

Fair enough, well I will wait for BRR's decision on this before posting anything in this regard.

[BigRedRod]

he didn't sneak off
he just wandered off :)

[SponkleofInfini]

Would that be a yes ;)

[BigRedRod]

I'll let you decide :)
if you're character was standing with his eyes shut, or staring in the other direction, then it's a no
if you were just generally waiitng then it's a yes

[BigRedRod]

so the current plan, which everyone is fine with, is for Luian to fly down with the hope, tie up the one covered in spiders and then float back to the top and drag him back with you?

[SponkleofInfini]

Yeah...that sounds about right ;)

[tyckspoon]

Seems to be what we're going to do, yeah. So let's do it already.

[BigRedRod]

I was kinda waiting for a post actually initiating actions rather than just chatting aobut how to do it
I'll give the others time to see, then I'll post if no one has any objections

[Tilus]

...I'm considering dropping out after this little mission's done with. My character simply cannot do much of anything, and I find it ridiculous to have my actions hopelessly restricted because I'm lacking the knowledge to create an effective character. I personally do not believe in having to research every little nuance of several dozen 200-page rulebooks and spending a week or more creating a character just to be able to keep up with the rest of you - it's a pointless waste of time. D&D is simply too restricting and too inaccessible to all but those with absolutely nothing else to do with their endless amount of time - I have summer classes, 3 other roleplaying games, and some little semblance of a life to manage.

From this point on I am only joining Tri-Stat/BESM games.

[BigRedRod]

I don't think your problem is with the rules
it's with your character's personality
she has done nothing yet, but not through a lack of ability
it's been an active choice to hang back while decisions are made around her



Although I can't hold you in the game
and if you do want to leave, it may be easier for myself (and the others) to just remove you from events so far, rather than having you in the game with the same lack of spirit, until you manage to return to complete this section

[Tilus]

Well, there's not a whole lot she can contribute to discussion/decision making when she has next to no skills, talents, or tools to offer..

[BigRedRod]

the problem is
you decided to play a character with that mindset
it has no connection at all to her character sheet

Sponkle is a good example of a character with a personality and a character sheet
his key concern is the protection of the summoners
his characters interactions would only be slightly different given a generic fighter, or some other character in that position

Ielenia and Luian should, at least at the beginning, be the two "leaders"
You have stood back and allowed Luian to be the sole leader,
the only statistic that is really at play here is the charisma, and even that is quite vaguely defined,
as it stands, you have hardly posted
Luian clearly enjoys, or at the very least accepts and uses, her position of power to achieve tasks to the best of her ability
Ielenia has a slighlt edge at charisma, giving her potentially a better force of personality
but I'm not saying that Ielenia has to be the same, perhaps she doesn't enjoy her position and she was more a victim of circumstance

it doesn't matter
it's a simple fact that the problem isn't in reality connected to your character sheet, it's how you play (or don't play) your summoner

[TheDruid20]

Luian doesn't liek to sit aroudn waiting for others, she hateshaving you guys follow but is diplomatic enough to try to atleast keep you all happy. She would be happier by herself or with creatures she soley controled. She doesn't always work well in groups.

[Tilus]

You assume I know more than I know, and yet at the same time you assume I know less than I know.

I built my character's personality around the character sheet. You say that she is supposed to be the leader, yet with her lack of abilities she really can't lead. She's inferior to Luian in talent and knowledge, thus it's only natural that Luian would wind up taking command, regardless of what Ielenia's "potential" might be. To try to lie about it and put up a sort of falsified leadership when she has nothing to back it up with would conflict with the "good" nature of the campaign.

She's not an adventurer either - only a complete and utter fool would try to go on an adventure with the miniscule amount of equipment Ielenia has. She's not a character who would have the skills or the knowledge to go adventuring either. The only concept her character sheet could even remotely work would be for someone who defends the village and nothing else.

That's the reason I play my character the way I play her.. if I could build a character that had the capability to lead, and be an adept summoner I would have. That's the whole point of my annoying whining the past several weeks - I simply don't know how to build an effective character. It took me two weeks of studying through that ridiculous player's handbook, browsing across multiple internet sites, asking about a dozen people, and harsh criticism from the other players just to come up with a legal character sheet under the default 3e rules (don't tell me my DitN character is legal, because as of now it's not). I admit it's my mistake following through with this campaign in the first place, seeing how this and DitN has only fueled my hatred for all things D&D, but I got myself involved and I'm a man of my word.

[BigRedRod]

you keep trying to swing this around to either being a fault of the d&d system, or your lack of knowledge of said system

that isn't the problem

yes, it's your second character
so it isn't going to a power-god
that doesn't matter
you need a personality
even if it is someone who doesn't want to lead and is a coward

[BigRedRod]

in other news someone post with an initiation of capturing the guy in convulsions
Luian won't be able to fly down and fly back with him, he''d be too damn heavy
someone is gonna need to go down the stairs and drag him back

I was aobut to post, when I realised it was gonna take a little more planning than you guys had done :)

[Tilus]

She does have a personality. She's depressed over her situation, not being able to do very much. I believe I've made that quite clear in what posts I've made. What more do you want!?! If it's more posts, I can't keep posting pointless "I'm still here" posts just to remind people I'm still playing.

Okay then, how about this.. Since you're all demigod know-it-alls and I admittedly have next to no knowledge when it comes to D&D roleplaying, you all tell me what I can do in my current situation without breaking character or doing something that my character cannot do given her abilities and background.

Enlighten me.

[BigRedRod]

if you want to play an insecure charater who can't deal with the role of leadship that she has been thrust into, then do it
it's plenty workable
when faced with a decision just post her reaction, haver her attempting to palm off the issue of decision making and such


but I think we just found the issue
D&D roleplaying
D&D doesn't require any real special knowledge to RP in
it's just pretty much classic fantasy
You shouldn't be treating this as some mysterious and unknown system that you may have a slighlty below average character for
Just play your character, and don't complain aobut not being able to munch up the mechanics


I'm not sure where you got the idea she has no useful abiltiies, but it seems to be killing the character, completely ruining your fun and affecting the game. So the issue needs resolving

[Tilus]

Nevermind. I got an idea. See latest post. Yay! I think I'm getting somewhere now!

[BigRedRod]

YaY

[SponkleofInfini]

<Analysis>

BRR is right, it is only a problem with roleplaying your character, which could have resulted from your initial dislike of the character. Generally if someone does not like a character they will try to sabotage it from the get go, due to not being able to relate in some way with it. I think another point of why you're not keen on roleplaying your character is because you feel you have to roleplay by the sheet. Which is not really the case, try not to adhere to what your skills are and stats so strictly. Just use them as a general guideline...and I mean very general guideline. For example, a barbarian with a low intelligence and bellow average wisdom could still come up with the occasional great idea. Or the wizard with low charisma finds a way to rally the support of the township, or the rogue who looses a hand from not being quick enough that one time.

I thought your reluctant leader/introvert role was a good one, a good rule of thumb is to have alot of inner monologue with yourself etc etc. I think how you're playing it is quite good, and you will find your comfort zone with the character soon enough, as we all do.

Just try not to keep your sheet in mind all the time, you're allowed to do stuff which isn't on the sheet afterall...just don't go overboard :)

Since you're all demigod know-it-alls and I admittedly have next to no knowledge when it comes to D&D roleplaying, you all tell me what I can do in my current situation without breaking character or doing something that my character cannot do given her abilities and background.

Now there is no need for insults, afterall we're only trying to help you.

</analysis>

[BigRedRod]

(OOC: You'd better not switch over to 3.5, at least if you expect me to stay in the campaign, even if my character gets really good. =P I'm not about to go memorize a completely new set of rules halfway through just to keep playing.)

if you're dead against it then I won't bother
but 3.5 isn't a whole set of new rules
it's more a series of middle-sized tweaks to give the game some more balance and make sense of all the crap that has come out in splatbooks and the like

but I don't have the books yet, and I ust can't be bothered reading the SRD, so we don't need to talk aobut it
the whole scroll issue was just a little tweak that wasn't really defined in 3

[BigRedRod]

oh
and Lune
yes I do have MotW
how come?

[LuneMoonshadow]

I was just wondering for another game. But I got it. Thanks anyway. :)

[BigRedRod]

yeah
I was out all of yesterday and I forgot to set myself away :P
ah well :)

[tyckspoon]

Just posting to say I'm still paying attention, in case anyone was wondering. Magical doings aren't the province of a rogue..I'll post IC next time some opportunity that doesn't look like busywork shows. Or that I can go wandering off alone again. Hmm..how many times do you think I can do that before BRR drops me into a pit full of monsters?

[BigRedRod]

wellnow that you've given me the idea I'd say just the one :)

[tyckspoon]

Hmm. Then I'll have to edit 'suspicious bastard who always checks things for danger, even food he prepared himself' into my character sheet..then I can justifiably say I ought to be getting search/spot/listen every time it could possibly apply.

[BigRedRod]

and you can reduce your movement speed to 5ft while you're at it then :)

[SponkleofInfini]

Billy's computer is down...although he should be back soon.

[TheDruid20]

Back but jury rigged... I get a new one in about 10 days though..

[BigRedRod]

*waits*
I'd rather not just push you back to the main hall without your input, as there are several things you could do on the way

[tyckspoon]

*twiddles fingers* Like what? Search the library for other miscellaneous magics? mm..wait, I think I will.

[BigRedRod]

Well I'll give you a hint :)

-you have remove curse scrolls

-you know of the location of a child and a body in a room

-there are two of the cursed on the floor in the library main

-there may be more cursed beyond the doors o nthe way back

really
you can rush back
or you can try and help the people closest to you
orsomething random, like set light to the cursed people. But somehow I doubt anyone would be grateful for that course of action :)

[tyckspoon]

Well, you know, they are certifiably, completely insane..who's to say what they'll like? But of course, burning them would be a very Bad Thing for those of us with good aligns..

[Tilus]

Due to circumstances beyond my control, I will be losing internet access this coming Monday. Because of this I will be unable to play any longer in this roleplaying session or partake in any further roleplaying sessions here on this message board.

I apologise if I got any of your hopes up, this news has greatly disappointed me as well.

[tyckspoon]

Hmm..well now..what's the word..fuck. Sorry to see ya go, Tilus..do come back postehaste if you ever find any sort of connection. I was looking forward to blowing stuff up in your mech game..

[BigRedRod]

these things happen and can't really be helped :P

[SponkleofInfini]

I was looking forward to his mech gaem aswell...l;ets hope this isn't a permenent thing...don't want them admins getting ideas now ;)

[tyckspoon]

*poke* Um..magic people? Rod's just asked you to cast another spell..the rest of us are kinda just waiting on it..

[BigRedRod]

I'll do it with Ielenia
don't worry you non-magic kids, I'm hoping to open this up to you, and move away from the constant scroll use :)

[tyckspoon]

Well, I could try it, I mean, that's what Use Magic Device is for..but it'd be at the whim of the dice, and dice hate me.

[BigRedRod]

it seems a little silly for the rogue to have to take a stab at things when you have a room full of magic users

[TheDruid20]

Ok not certain how long it has been, IE have I slept and got my spells back.

[BigRedRod]

despite the extended periods of sat aroundness
I wouldn't say you've actually slept or memorized spells

[TheDruid20]

ok cause I burned through alot of them. IC post time...

[BigRedRod]

OOC: Does Kythrin have the Divine versions of the spells, or not yet?

you have the divine scrolls, you havent had a chance to pray for spells either

[LuneMoonshadow]

Yeah, I meant scrolls...

Thank you for being able to read idiot. :fun:

[BigRedRod]

I speak it fluently :)

[BigRedRod]

just to clarrify

summoner = high summoner

the temple is full of students (those beneath Luian), those on her level and slightly above (at stages during their pilgramages or who have decided to spend an indefinate period at the temple) and the Elder you have already met

This temple has no "servants" as such, the lessons of humality are taught in a convient way that ensures cooking and cleaning is done

sorry about that typos and such
very tired again, and headahce
but thought you could well need to know this
those are indeed some confused thoughts
hmmm

[BigRedRod]

saturday (which is tomorrow, I guess) will most likely be the day I return to uni
not 100% on that, I could suprise myself and go tomorrow (or today, stupid morning coming late at night), or on sunday
But it looks like saturday

and guess what!
My house has no connection yet
I assumed it would be done but they are waiitng on my technical expertise
I'll try and get things rolling as quickly as is possible, if it is gonna be an extended away I'll find a way to get on t'internet, so I'm not dead, not quite ....

:)

[BigRedRod]

Luian is scribing the scroll

Ielenia is a sorceror so she couldn't if she wanted :) hence the decision for her to hold back with the lder, Sara and no doubt no the two extra friends

[BigRedRod]

Back!

I'll jump you forward to well rested and spell-filled

sorry, I think I kinda dropped the ball with the start of this game :P
but it'll get better ,
honest :)

[BigRedRod]

ok

if any of the players are still actually interested in this game post

I'm debating killing it and pretending it never happened. I think this game is the apex of an idea unsuited in near every way to the slow minimum interaction methods of PBP gaming

But if you are all still there I'll push on and try and get it out of this ditch. I just feel that most would rather just let it go

[LuneMoonshadow]

I'm still interested...

But if it is better suited dead, then kill it. I understand completely how a game can die...

[tyckspoon]

I'm interested..I'm just not much of a leader type, and this current action is well outside my character's skillset. Basically, if someone picks this up to where it gets where I can do something, I'll post..I'm also not particularly good at idle talk. Perhaps someone should try and bring up a topic of discussion IC. If that can't be done, then fast-forward us through the business of gathering up the accursed until one of them presents an actual problem.

[BigRedRod]

that was my attention

although it's quite promising to see that at least 1/2 of the players are stil good

and one of them is just missing

hmm

maybe I can pull this one through

expect a huge fast-forward though as I try and kick start it

[TheDruid20]

I just gotta really busdy with school and spaced about all my games for like almost 2 weeks but yes I am alive and intersted.

[tyckspoon]

Hmm. Did we take that quiet kid with us, or leave him staring into space in his room?

[BigRedRod]

he's just sat there

you ignored him before so I thought I'd let you deal with him
afterall he's a little "different"

[TheDruid20]

A LiTTLE??? What world you living in?

[tyckspoon]

Same one where sky-color changes are accepted weekly phenomena. Anyway..try to bring him down, or take people up to see him? I figure either he'll be able to talk to us coherently, or Legend Lore/Analyze Dweomer-ing him will provide something interesting.

[LuneMoonshadow]

I've had a giant increase in homework recently, hence the reason my posting speed has gone down, though it wasn't much to begin with...

I'm also trying to open up my own website. So over the next few weeks, I may be a bit slow in posting. But once everything is settled, I'll be back in the swing of things.

[BigRedRod]

thanks for the heads up

[BigRedRod]

ok
it's been too long since I've heard a peep from sponkle
I'll look for a replacement, I also need to poke billy to post

[Samurai]

Hello all. I will be replacing Sponkle as the entity running Kakita Garland. This looks like a great game, and it should be fun to participate in. I will be expanding Kakita Garlands role a bit, but for the most part I am going to maintain the character attitudes he has previously shown.

[BigRedRod]

ok
as much as I like the fact you picked your character and stuck with her Billy, you may want to think about how she survived her extensive training in Lunos as a summoner if she can't handle a clear superior telling her guardians that they have made a mistake

[BigRedRod]

oh yeah
and everyone say hi to Samurai :)

btw, Samurai, can you edit the title of your character sheet to be uniform with the others, I'm kinda anal about stuff like that

[Samurai]

Hm. I edited the title, but the change is not showing. I could repost the thread entirely, if necessary. By the way, I think Luians response is actually fairly accurate for a Chaotic character dealing with a Lawful system. It is nice to see the other alignment axis being represented in conflicts every now and then. How said character remained independent and free spirited enough when growing up in a Lawful system is a relevant question, however.

[BigRedRod]

don't worry about it
I'll cope :)

it's not important enough to me for a repost

[Samurai]

Diplomacy check at +10 while speaking to Ielenia and Luian, attempting to convince them of my words.

Edit: Of course, Diplomacy and other such skills cannot work as normal when used against PCs. However, the relative persuasiveness (or lack thereof) of a characters words are important factors when deciding the proper response.

[TheDruid20]

Well she veiws her beign allowed to go out and learn more as a sign she is competent enough to make her own decisions. She never has had this confidence before, justified or not. She is no longer in awe of the elders and has seen flaws in them she never has.

[Samurai]

BRR:

Actually, both Kythrin and Triren specified they had already left. I quote, from page 10 of the IC thread:


Kythrin steps up to Triren and lays a hand on his shoulder.

"Let's go get the boy. I'm sure the elder would be happy to see him."

The cleric takes a step back and begins walking off towards where they had left the boy.


Triren offers the slightest shrug, fairly certain now that the Temple Elder won't seriously consider the words of someone so patently not part of the temple system. "Certainly. Obviously he must be bought back to the flock." Although having little hope the boy will react any better, he follows Kythrin to the room.


It is no matter of great importance, I am just evidencing my characters surprise at Kythrin walking back into the room, with no apparent reason.

[BigRedRod]

indeed
but I presumed that the little argument would have occured while they left

[LuneMoonshadow]

I was under the impression that this argument occured as I was walking out fo the room. My apologies.

[Samurai]

No need. Apparently that is how the DM saw it as well. I just assumed the two of you kept walking, given that you had not posted otherwise. No harm done either way.

[Samurai]

Tensers Floating Disk. 3 FT horizontal diamter disk that can hold 100 LBs per level. I do not recall the duration of the spell, however.

Edit: I looked it up, and the duration is one hour per level.

[BigRedRod]

Deleted your last post Billy to prevent a spiral of confusion

Sara and Mikos are now in the kitchen so that Mikos isn't present for discussions of him

[TheDruid20]

but nmy post total!?!?!?!?!? ok

[BigRedRod]

From premilinary studies (i.e. no one looked too cloesly)
the boy was struck on the temple went down without much of a fuss

[BigRedRod]

I'm going home today
will be back with the internet late monday
maybe too tired to post

would post now but faqr too hungover to make sense

[BigRedRod]

OOC: What time of day is it? if it is mornign or still early afternoon this is what I will post

Well you're away from any light
but it's mid-morning now
you've been there about a day with all your fun activites

and Ielenia isn't in the room anymore so you can't ask her questions
or she won't be able to reply anyhow

[TheDruid20]

Well I assume we slept and regenrated spells then? Well I will go ask her then:-)

[BigRedRod]

Well I assume we slept and regenrated spells then?

nope

[TheDruid20]

Then DAMNIT I am tired!!!! Let me change my post

[BigRedRod]

you haven't recovered spells or rested since you collected all the cursed and cured them

unless I'm really having memory issues

and bear in mind you have the cube so only one will need to keep casting the spells, or you could go as a group. Afterall you hardly have to search for the source

[TheDruid20]

Thanks for th OOC info that it will be easy to find, remember the spell has a limited range only like 60 feet as I recall... so we need to get within 60 feet of it...

[BigRedRod]

it wasn't meta game

you're looking for something which flooded an entire city with magic and managed to affect almost everyone. It's going to have left slight traces everywhere, and the traces will get stronger as you get nearer (that's just common sense)

finding it should be as difficult as maybe putting on a hat
or opening a book

you cast the spell and head "uphill"

your character knows this and the Elder clearl knows it too

[TheDruid20]

I was envisioning it somewhat diffrent its abotu yoru interpratation of the spell and how it works and I definatly see your point but I didn't know what it was so I assumed it would simply have an aura not all the residuals of an area effect spell.

[TheDruid20]

Now now what to add to my staff with my new EXP wait I need GP and Tririen LN not likely he will help me rob a bank while we search.... Damnit

[TheDruid20]

Heads up to the DM I need to know what it would take to add the ability of my staff to fly to my hand at my call, as well as what it would take to have it turn into a tattoo on command, in that form only its perm effects would function, resistance, natural armor, but not the spells etc. As well as turn back on command, think the item spell but a tattoo not a patch of cloth.

[BigRedRod]

bah
I'll make up some figures later

although for that tatoo ability you can expect to pay through your ass

[TheDruid20]

ok i figured but will ask

[BigRedRod]

the problem being it's a balance issue, and those are the things I'm bad with
But I'll investigate costing it up

[TheDruid20]

Mainly cause I am putting ALL my eggs in one basket I want to do my best to protect it.

Also would it be possible, through featxs spells or what ever to transfer the magic of one item into another? Don't care what it costs so long as less then simply adding the ability to the item from scratch.

IE takign the powers of a wand and adding them to my staff, or melding a ring of armor into it...

[BigRedRod]

sounds like the area of a feat
also sounds like it'd involve getting it half paid for or somesuch

I'll need to think about it

[TheDruid20]

Don't mind paying half the cost,,, its still cheaper then adding the whole thing and totally willing to pay a feat for it.

[BigRedRod]

well Samurai just left the boards
bah

I'm trying for a replacement but nothing is biting yet. I'd rather that you didn't lose the sole fighter-type

[TheDruid20]

What with her staff Luian isn't that bad a fighting machine... wait till she gets or finds someone with craft magic weapon!!!!!

[BigRedRod]

I have a cunning opportunity to remove the character from being a player
but I'll try to replace before he pulls out

[LuneMoonshadow]

Just a suggestion...

Though I have been replying slower than I would like, I'm still here. And it seems like our faithful summoner is here too. It seems to me Kythrin and Luian share the same feeling of duty (in game), whether or not anyone else does.

So, would it be possible to maybe tweak the game around if you don't find a replacement to just have the two of us running the quest, with guild help and such to aid in our lack of a fighter?

Or, if all else fails, we become chosen ones of our deities... :devious:

[TheDruid20]

I don't feel a need for fighter, I can sommon something to fight if need to and with the boosts my staff and Kythrin can provide with spell...

[LuneMoonshadow]

Maybe even a magic item or two to add to our spell casting ability or phsyical ability.

Mythril +something armor would do wonders... along with a ring that allowed you to cast Fireball x times per day...

They be dealt with, but it really depends on the campaign.

[TheDruid20]

Well Luian woudl be more into an item that enchacned her summoned creatures, made them last 24 hours or +4 to physichal stats or the like... or help her enchance her staff to add to its armor capacity and make it a magic weapon but need gold...

[BigRedRod]

So, would it be possible to maybe tweak the game around if you don't find a replacement to just have the two of us running the quest, with guild help and such to aid in our lack of a fighter?
stop realising my plan :)
although Tyck posts, just infrequently, so he's a kepper

[TheDruid20]

OK I also want a cost on my staff haveing a Light spell (with on/off "switch) would cost. Shouldn't be much. Want unlimited use... Eventually will turn the light into "detect" spells as well.. IE anything in the light is effected by detect magic, invisability, evil, and when I am much higher True Seeing and the like, but right now just plain light... by the rules I think it would be 900gpx2 to add but 900gp since I will do it myself(command word), or 1500gp x2 (1500gp)if it is continous But since I want it to last all the time not have to re activate it ever 10 mins it is cheaper to do the 1500gp as opposed to upping the caster level on the command word activated.

[BigRedRod]

i'm confused about exactly what you are doing

We have Luian and Kythrin flying
but what about Triren?
we can ignore Garland for now, it makes sense to have him holding back

[LuneMoonshadow]

I am going ot be gone until Sunday, because I will be out of town with no way to get online.

Feel free to take control of my character and do with him whatever is needed.

[TheDruid20]

My conection will be spotty. Origianlly I forgot about the rogue but what will happen is I will save the flying for if/when needed.

[tyckspoon]

I could just use the rooftops if they're close enough together. Not quite as fast as flying, but it'd be a similar net effect.

[BigRedRod]

True, so long as you are moving about in the denser parts of the city it should be almost simple for someone with a handfull of ranks in jump, tumble and climb to navigate the rooftops

[TheDruid20]

Well I wont be casting fly till we absolutely need it. Its durration isn't that immpressive.

[BigRedRod]

Billy, could you stick a tad more description in your posts
I'm not so possessive that you can only post what directly affects your character, feel free to take small liberties :)

[TheDruid20]

Well I was really busy over the holiday week and didn't want anyone waiting for me.

[BigRedRod]

Just a general point in case you didn't want to tread on my toes :)

[BigRedRod]

Yeah
this week is just super-busy
both in terms of actual work and people demanding my presence at various events (some I want to attend, others I'd rather be somewhere else)

So, my posting has really gone to pot. I don't seem to be at my comp for long enough to locate my notes, think and post.


It'll be bumpy throughout the holiday season, but I'll get it back on track asap

[BigRedRod]

deleted your last post Tyck

Triren is peeping in through the windows at the interior
if he wants to break in then fine, but he can't just phase through the walls :)

[tyckspoon]

:nervous: Sorry. I forgot just how much window-space there is on a Gothic-style church.

[BigRedRod]

as I'm home with none of my books could someone remind me of the duration of said fly spell?

[TheDruid20]

1min /lvl

[BigRedRod]

in that case Tyck, Triren doesn't really have much time
he can either fly back
or search for an entry-point through the art of climbing a gothic cathedral and then rushing through a swarm of crazy people back

[tyckspoon]

Is it really only 1? Mou..I thought it was ten..bugger. It is 1. '_' Fly back, then. Triren isn't really a second-third-fourth/whatever floor working thief..

[TheDruid20]

I think it was 10 in 2nd or 3rd but we are in 3.5 now....
It is a perfect spell for a extend spell or isnt there a new spell that like greater flying or something? I am getting the 3.5 books for xmas so I will know soon:-)

[BigRedRod]

...
could someone check 3e then?
bearing in mind that is what we are using (except for that scroll thing, butn that was more of a house ruling as it makes more sense to me)

[TheDruid20]

I could but those books are 700 miles away and I need to pump up my post totals....